Is Cain a Biological Descendant of Satan?
A RESPONSE TO ARNOLD MURRAY’S ‘SERPENT SEED’ DOCTRINE
INTRODUCTION
I know, silly question. But this is a doctrine that Arnold Murray of The Shepherd's Chapel is teaching. He uses 5 key passages to 'prove' his doctrine. Below is an analysis of his teaching.
Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
ARNOLD MURRAY
Murray speculates that the serpents’ seed is Cain and Eve’s seed is Abel.
THE TRUTH
There is a MAJOR problem here in that Murray’s teaching demands that Eve was already pregnant at this point (he says she got pregnant at the time she took the fruit), but God’s teaching says she didn’t conceive until after her and Adam were kicked out of the Garden of Eden (they are kicked out in 3:24 and she conceived in 4:1).
The New Testament teaches us that Christ is the fulfillment of this passage, it has nothing to do with Cain and Abel (Romans 16:20, Hebrews 2:14, 1 John 3:8).
Genesis 4:1-2a
Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man." Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
ARNOLD MURRAY
Murray tries to dismiss this verse quickly by saying the Hebrew wording indicates they were twins but had different fathers.
THE TRUTH
This is just absurd. It is no wonder he doesn’t talk at length about this passage considering it destroys his entire argument. He’s wrong about the Hebrew wording. If what he were saying was true, I’d expect at least one translation to support that rendering, but none do. He is the only teacher I’ve ever heard make such a statement and that should raise a red flag. Eve said ‘the LORD’ gave her Cain.
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
ARNOLD MURRAY
He says the Greek word that the KJV renders as ‘beguiled’ means that the Serpent ‘sexually seduced’ Eve
THE TRUTH
The Greek word in question, “Exapatao”, occurs 4 other times in the Bible.
Romans 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
1Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Clearly, every other time the word is used, it simply indicates deception, not sexual seduction.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
ARNOLD MURRAY
He says we must interpret the phrase ‘your father’ in a biological sense
THE TRUTH
The word ‘father’ in both Greek and English can be understood in 2 different ways depending on context
1. Biological- Most often, the term is used of a biological father. For example, I can state that my father is Jerry Rose.
2. Founder- Often, we call an ‘founder’ of something a father. For example, we call George Washington a Founding Father of our country. That doesn’t mean, of course, that he is a biological ancestor of every U.S. citizen! It simply means we follow the example of what he started.
Our job when interpreting John 8:44 is to decide which meaning is intended based on the context. The question becomes: “In John 8:44, is Jesus discussing the biological father or a founding father?” The answer is simple because Jesus discusses BOTH types of father’s in the context of the passage so that there is no confusion. In John 8:33 the crowd declared “We are Abraham's descendants”. If Murray is right, we should expect Jesus to reply, “No! You are Satan’s descendants.” But Jesus didn’t respond that way. Instead, He said, “I know you are Abraham's descendants.” Either Arnold Murray is wrong or Jesus is wrong.
Since Jesus is right, John 8:33 establishes that the crowd were biological descendants of Abraham (which proves they were not biological descendants of Satan or Cain). Therefore, John 8:44 must be referring to the 2nd type of fathering. This fits the teachings of Scripture perfectly. John 8:44 is simply saying that Satan is their ‘founding father’ because they follow his example just like George Washington is our ‘founding father’ because we follow his.
Matthew 13:37-38
He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one
ARNOLD MURRAY
Even though the term ‘father’ isn’t used here, Murray treats this passage in the same way as John 8:44 and interprets the ‘sons’ as biological sons.
THE TRUTH
I preached on this text a couple months ago and so I’ve done a lot of research on this passage. Once again, Murray is the ONLY teacher I’ve ever come across that interprets the ‘sons’ as biological sons. The passage is clearly not talking about biological sons. If Murray is right to interpret ‘sons of the evil one’ as biological children then he MUST also interpret ‘sons of the kingdom’ as biological descendants of the ‘Son of Man’ (Jesus). Are we biological ‘sons’ of Jesus? Of course not! The passage isn’t talking about biological descendants. We become God’s children by submitting to His authority. It’s not a biological process, it is a spiritual one. The reverse is also true. We are children of Satan if we follow his example.
CONCLUSION
I did a little extra research on Arnold Murray. I found an audio clip where he ‘jokes’ about shooting a young man in his congregation because the young man disagreed with Murray’s teaching. Murray also denies the orthodox view of the Trinity. He falsely teaches that America and Britain are lost tribes of Israel. Other issues that you may find troublesome include his denial of the eternality of hell, the rapture & interracial marriage.
INTRODUCTION
I know, silly question. But this is a doctrine that Arnold Murray of The Shepherd's Chapel is teaching. He uses 5 key passages to 'prove' his doctrine. Below is an analysis of his teaching.
Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
ARNOLD MURRAY
Murray speculates that the serpents’ seed is Cain and Eve’s seed is Abel.
THE TRUTH
There is a MAJOR problem here in that Murray’s teaching demands that Eve was already pregnant at this point (he says she got pregnant at the time she took the fruit), but God’s teaching says she didn’t conceive until after her and Adam were kicked out of the Garden of Eden (they are kicked out in 3:24 and she conceived in 4:1).
The New Testament teaches us that Christ is the fulfillment of this passage, it has nothing to do with Cain and Abel (Romans 16:20, Hebrews 2:14, 1 John 3:8).
Genesis 4:1-2a
Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man." Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
ARNOLD MURRAY
Murray tries to dismiss this verse quickly by saying the Hebrew wording indicates they were twins but had different fathers.
THE TRUTH
This is just absurd. It is no wonder he doesn’t talk at length about this passage considering it destroys his entire argument. He’s wrong about the Hebrew wording. If what he were saying was true, I’d expect at least one translation to support that rendering, but none do. He is the only teacher I’ve ever heard make such a statement and that should raise a red flag. Eve said ‘the LORD’ gave her Cain.
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
ARNOLD MURRAY
He says the Greek word that the KJV renders as ‘beguiled’ means that the Serpent ‘sexually seduced’ Eve
THE TRUTH
The Greek word in question, “Exapatao”, occurs 4 other times in the Bible.
Romans 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
1Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Clearly, every other time the word is used, it simply indicates deception, not sexual seduction.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
ARNOLD MURRAY
He says we must interpret the phrase ‘your father’ in a biological sense
THE TRUTH
The word ‘father’ in both Greek and English can be understood in 2 different ways depending on context
1. Biological- Most often, the term is used of a biological father. For example, I can state that my father is Jerry Rose.
2. Founder- Often, we call an ‘founder’ of something a father. For example, we call George Washington a Founding Father of our country. That doesn’t mean, of course, that he is a biological ancestor of every U.S. citizen! It simply means we follow the example of what he started.
Our job when interpreting John 8:44 is to decide which meaning is intended based on the context. The question becomes: “In John 8:44, is Jesus discussing the biological father or a founding father?” The answer is simple because Jesus discusses BOTH types of father’s in the context of the passage so that there is no confusion. In John 8:33 the crowd declared “We are Abraham's descendants”. If Murray is right, we should expect Jesus to reply, “No! You are Satan’s descendants.” But Jesus didn’t respond that way. Instead, He said, “I know you are Abraham's descendants.” Either Arnold Murray is wrong or Jesus is wrong.
Since Jesus is right, John 8:33 establishes that the crowd were biological descendants of Abraham (which proves they were not biological descendants of Satan or Cain). Therefore, John 8:44 must be referring to the 2nd type of fathering. This fits the teachings of Scripture perfectly. John 8:44 is simply saying that Satan is their ‘founding father’ because they follow his example just like George Washington is our ‘founding father’ because we follow his.
Matthew 13:37-38
He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one
ARNOLD MURRAY
Even though the term ‘father’ isn’t used here, Murray treats this passage in the same way as John 8:44 and interprets the ‘sons’ as biological sons.
THE TRUTH
I preached on this text a couple months ago and so I’ve done a lot of research on this passage. Once again, Murray is the ONLY teacher I’ve ever come across that interprets the ‘sons’ as biological sons. The passage is clearly not talking about biological sons. If Murray is right to interpret ‘sons of the evil one’ as biological children then he MUST also interpret ‘sons of the kingdom’ as biological descendants of the ‘Son of Man’ (Jesus). Are we biological ‘sons’ of Jesus? Of course not! The passage isn’t talking about biological descendants. We become God’s children by submitting to His authority. It’s not a biological process, it is a spiritual one. The reverse is also true. We are children of Satan if we follow his example.
CONCLUSION
I did a little extra research on Arnold Murray. I found an audio clip where he ‘jokes’ about shooting a young man in his congregation because the young man disagreed with Murray’s teaching. Murray also denies the orthodox view of the Trinity. He falsely teaches that America and Britain are lost tribes of Israel. Other issues that you may find troublesome include his denial of the eternality of hell, the rapture & interracial marriage.
2 Comments:
Hi there;
I have just been reading your comment on that "Cain is the son of Satan"
Well this is very interesting as if you read John 8 when "Jesus" is talking to the Pharisees and scribs, "Jesus calls them children of the Devil"
Remember Jesus is God in the flesh!
And God does not lie? And no deceit was found in him?
So this is "True" that Cain is Satan's son! (1 John 3:12)
Also John the Baptist confirms this by speaking through the Spirit of God:
"You brood of Vipers"
Remember John the Baptist came in the power of Eliza?
The parables also confirm this teaching that Cain is Satans child.
I will open my mouth in parables and utter things hidden since the beginning of Time.
Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”
10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that,
“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’[a]”
13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14 The farmer sows the word.
Hi I must say regarding Eve's conception it is not Gen 4:1 when it is clear that she conceived but 3:15 when they are still in the garden God already speaks about 2 seeds and therefore I believe there are 2 seedlines in the world and you only need to look kenite seedline running the world i.e. banking,politics,education,media,mainstrean christianity preachers with their false gospels and by their fruit I can tell that they are biological children of satan.....then God says 3:16 I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;in sorrow you shall bring forth children....God already knows that Eve has concieved otherwise why would God talk about conception and children if there was no sexual sin....if they just got knowledge,it just does not make sense,also there are many who agree with this and teach it but they would not be mainstreamers who lie and preach false rubbish as those are mainly kenites so of course they would hide this.William Branham thought on this,mighty man of God and there are more who believe and it makes sense and the Word of God is clear.Also Jesus does not just say John 8:37 but also John 8:39 which says if you were Abraham's children ye would do the works of Abraham.....(bingo they have been exposed!)John 8:42;John 8:44 is very clear-Ye are of your father the devil,and the lusts of your father ye will do.....To me it is clear and the parables of wheat and tares is a confirmation and it is not just 5 verses...look through all the OT and NT there confirmations all the time that there are 2 seedlines and there will be 2 messiahs one false one true one.....that is why so many people get killed in OT because these evil ones tried to overcome the world and children of God then......they have succeeded now but we are at the end and then the Lord will come to rescue us all from the power of satan and his children that have enslaved all the world...wake up and stop just believing the lies of mainstreamers and the deceived.God bless you
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